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PostSubject: The Reasons Not To "Cherry Pick" scriptures To Build Your Doctrines   Wed May 23, 2018 1:50 pm

Does “The Word” contradict itself? NO!
So where it says: Rom 3:25  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 

G4266   “PAST”
From G4253 and G1096; to be already, that is, have previously transpired: - be past. (Not present, and future)



Rom 3:26  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. 


So does the book of Hebrews contradict that of Romans? NO!
Hebrews 10:1; 14-18 
King James Version (KJV)

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Heb. 10:1  Very obviously is referring to gifts and animal sacrifices…


Those things never made a person “perfect”. It shows the contrast of gifts and animal sacrifices (Their hope in what Yeshua would do as the “Perfect Lamb of God”) as opposed to the “Perfect Sacrifice”

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

 

Vs. 14 ... he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


G37    “Sanctified” From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.




Who is “HE”? The Word of God! So how are we sanctified? The Word!
What are we required to do? WE must “Put On” the Wedding Garment, Robe of Righteousness, The Word…


Rom 13:12  The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13  Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14  But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.


So if you’re “sanctified” then there is “Perfection”! But where there is “Sin” then the Law goes into effect.
This goes hand in hand with:


Rom 4:15  Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16  Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace (Once again proving FAITH ACCESSES GRACE, as in Rom. 5:2); to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,



Rom 6:15  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.



Rom 8:4  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



Gal 5:18  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
 
 
HOW? Something we do that is seen of men!
Gal 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,                                                                                                        Gal 5:23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.                             
Gal 5:24  And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.                                                                                                                    
Gal 5:25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 


Now can you see that if at any time one sins they put themselves back under the Law.
Gal 5:16  This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17  For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye
would.
Gal 5:18  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
 


1Ti 1:9  Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man(The one who walks according to God’s Word), but for the lawless and disobedient, for the
ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10  For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is
contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11  According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
 
 

Which brings us to Hebrews 10:16-17


16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;          
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


Your “Sins” will be remembered “No More” if you are “Sanctified”. If not and you willfully sin you are back under the Law.   


When you sin you put yourself back under the Law. Therefore you are required to “REPENT”! Is repentance once? Done through a “sinners prayer”? NO! This proves the “Sinners Prayer” as a False Way! It’s day by day, and repenting when you sin, and doing works worthy of repentance! Acts 26:20, Also this example: (The tax collector) He repaid and then some. Proves justification is the same, Old and New! Faith with works makes a perfect faith. Acting on the Word, not a hearer, but a doer!
 
Jas 1:23  For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24  For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgets what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25  But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues thereinhe being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 1:26  If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridles not his tongue, but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Jas 1:27  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Example of justification, faith plus works (Just like Abraham):
Luk 19:8  And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken anything from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Luk 19:9  And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, For so much as he also is a son of Abraham.
 
 
(Action of Faith, faith plus works, perfect faith.)
Jas 2:22  See thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith
made perfect?
Jas 2:23  And the scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.


Back to sin and repentance:
1Jn 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4  He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5  But whoso keeps his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6  He that says he abides in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.



Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 
 
RE: The  LAW


If God’s LAW is “written on our hearts” and His Law is “perfect and eternal”, as His Word (Which is God) says it is. Why would “His People” say that His Law no longer exists (Being Old, passed, obsolete…). If God’s Spirit is in a person, but His Law is not, what is in those who say they believe, but deny the Laws existence? Is that which is in you “perfect and eternal”?
If you say to yourself, “The Word” is referring to “The Spirit of the Law”, and God is Spirit, you would have to say “The Spirit of the Law” is “The God of the Law”! If God is “The Word”, than it becomes “The Word of the Law”. This showing the Father, Son (Word), and Spirit as ONE (In agreement)!


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God.


1Co 12:13  For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.    


Heb 8:10  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11  And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the
greatest.
Heb 8:12  For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and Their iniquities will I remember no more. (Re: Rom 3:25  Whom God hath set
forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;)
Heb 8:13  In that he says, A new covenant (Refer back to verse 10), he hath made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away. (Not the Law “written on our hearts, but the sacrifice for sins, because of JESUS!)
 
 
The Words of JESUS!
 
Mat 23:2  Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:(The reading of the Law)
Mat 23:3  All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and doBut do not you after their works: for they say, and do not.
 
Just by the denial of the Law:
 
1) You create two God’s.
2) You deny His Word. (The Law in our heart and mind)
3) You do not understand the righteousness of God (Keeping the Law).
4) You take away from His Word, and you add to His Word.
5) You create two ways to God.
6) You can’t have a heart for God (Truth) if His Law is null and void.
7) Without the right heart you cannot produce fruit (True fruit).
8) You deny God's Word in being eternal and perfect.


Those who have a problem with "Perfect Faith" (faith without works is dead, James 2:17) always ignore a great majority of the rest of the Word. They always stick to the same passages to promote their doctrines by twisting them to fit their doctrines, but deny the majority of scripture contradicting the Word by the way they twist their "Cherry Picked" scriptures. Why do they have contempt for God's will, "good works that He hath before ordained that we walk in them". Why did Jesus say to "Let your Light Shine before men so they may see your good works"? Jesus: Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Is His will to Only believe? NO! If you love Him you will obey Him. If you don't really love God you won't be obeying Him. I would ask to those of their "easy believism", what sins are you hiding behind? Why is obedience wrong? Why are we told over and over again we will be judged for our works? They say being "sanctified" is just believing in Jesus, but the definition is: to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify. Are they making themselves Holy, purifying themselves, consecrating themselves by "Putting On The Word Of God"? NO! How can God's Word say to be Holy, Blameless, Perfect, Without sin... unless He meant what He said. What kind of Bride do you want to be, and bride found in sin when they die or Jesus returns, or would you rather be one making ready (Sanctified,  to make holy) for that day of judgement. Their "do nothing faith", Grace being unmerited favor (Which contradicts The Word (Be a doer) and true definition. Rom 5:2...)  is in complete opposition to His teachings and "His Ways"!  They are why the world sees Christians as hypocrites, which they are! They're not a reflection of Yeshua Hamashiach! They're False Teachers! By their own understanding the deny the Greatest Commandment! Loving God with all their Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength! They leave out Heart and Strength! A Good Heart produces "Good Works", an Evil Heart produces Evil Works! Their ways are not His Ways! 


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PostSubject: Re: The Reasons Not To "Cherry Pick" scriptures To Build Your Doctrines   Wed May 23, 2018 8:15 pm

You make some good points here to which I most agree. It is true that God's law will never diminish  in what Jesus Christ came to reconcile and be our intercession to approach the throne of God in courage and in faith to be certain of our position by Him and to Him, by the blood of the Lamb.

Jesus rewrote certain laws, (old Testament laws) such as the Sabbath, where by the new Covenant Jesus is the Sabbath, but this shift does not diminish the law of the Sabbath and in keeping it, instead of law the act of obedience has also shifted to the person of Jesus and keeping to Him, but like the Psalmist proclaims I delight keeping your precepts, they are no longer laws, but how we live our lives by being true to Him!

There must be other examples of the shift in Law, of this I'm sure, it's this one that comes to mind. 

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PostSubject: Re: The Reasons Not To "Cherry Pick" scriptures To Build Your Doctrines   Thu May 24, 2018 7:20 am

@ron_evartt wrote:
Does “The Word” contradict itself? NO!
So where it says: Rom 3:25  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 

G4266   “PAST”
From G4253 and G1096; to be already, that is, have previously transpired: - be past. (Not present, and future)



Rom 3:26  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. 


In view, Ron, is a shift from the old Economy (the Covenant of Law) and the New (Covenant).

"At this time" men are justifiied through belief in Jesus Christ, and it is, at this time, His righteousness, not the righteousness of the indicidual, such as Abraham, who was declared righteous because of his faith and works.

That this is distinct from being freely justified through the Redemption which is in Christ Jesus is made clear:


Romans 3:20-26

King James Version (KJV)

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.



You continue to ignore the fact that on an eternal basis no man will be justified by his works. Your works-based gospel nullifies the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Men were justified by obedience to the revelation provided them, but, now, at this time...


21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;



How is it manifested, Ron?

We are told:



22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;




Justification on an eternal basis is through belief in Jesus Christ, which did not begin until the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among men, died in the sinners stead, arose again the third day, and returned to Heaven that He might send the Promised Spirit.



24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:




Unlike the gospel of Ron, justification is the free gift of God, by His grace, that we might be redeemed through Christ and His Work, not the works of men.



25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;



You need to understand here that in view is God passing over the sins that were committed in the past. You apply this to the individual when in view, just as in Hebrews 10:12, are all men that went before the time when men began to be justified on an eternal basis through specific faith in Jesus Christ.

Just as in Hebrews we see Christ redeeming the transgressions that were under Law. Those, like Abraham, who were justified by faith and works were not eternally redeemed, they were justified on a temporal basis, and would need to have their sins atned for postmortem.

Abraham was declared righteous based on what he did, but was not made perfect until Christ died in his stead.


26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.



At this time it is Christ's righteousness, alone...that is declared.




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    So does the book of Hebrews contradict that of Romans? NO!


Of course not, lol.

We have the same teaching in both books, that there is a difference between what Christ accomplished and what was accomplished through Old Testament Provision. Vicarious death is seen all the way back to the Garden, where animals died to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve. We see Abel offering up sacrifice. We see Noah, Abraham, and Jacob all doing this as well...before the Law. THe Covenant of Law holds a prominent place as a contrast to the New Covenant because that was the Covenant Christ was made under, and through which He ministered.

So look at Hebrews again and ask yourself why you create a thread based on a false argument:


Hebrews 9:12-15

King James Version (KJV)

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.



Of course there is no contradiction in the Word, there is only the contradiction between the Gospel of Christ and the gospel of Ron.


  
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PostSubject: Re: The Reasons Not To "Cherry Pick" scriptures To Build Your Doctrines   Thu May 24, 2018 7:45 am

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Hebrews 10:1; 14-18
    King James Version (KJV)

    Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    Heb. 10:1  Very obviously is referring to gifts and animal sacrifices…


No, Ron, it is speaking of the Covenant of Law.

It does not say "For the gifts and animal sacrifices," it says "For the Law..."

The Law held a shadow, which is not the reality but a picture of the reality...of the good things to come.

Now I want you to just unbderstand the first thing he writes...the good things had not yet come.

Now understand the second thing he writes: The Law can never with those sacrifices...make the comer thereunto perfect. That means complete. A bringing to an end that which is made perfect.

Now understand the context of Perfection:


Hebrews 10
King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.



His question is "If the Law had made them complete in regards to why those sacrifices were offered (which was for atonement and remission of sins)...wouldn't they have had to offer no more sacrifice?"

The answer is yes, the sacrifices would not have been continually offered if the sacrifices of the Law made them perfect/complete, but, the sacrifices of the Law did not make them perfect/complete so they had to be continually offered."

The second point of v.2 is that if they had been made perfect/complete then their consciences would have been cleansed in regards to why those sacrifices were offered.

Now understand, Ron, that those who are sanctified by the Sacrifice of Christ...do not have a conscience that thinks sacrifice has to be offered up.

So why do you?


3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.



They were reminded continually that they had to offer up sacrifice for thier sin, because...


4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.



The blood of bulls and goats could not take away sins, thus it could not take away the penalty for sin. And the penalty for their sin was placed upon the animals that were sacrificed. They died vicariously in the stead of the sinner.

And that is what Christ has done, He has died vicariously in our stead.

So the context is established in the first four verses, and it is a context of remission of sins, which the primary point being that the sacrifices of the Law could not make one complete in regards to remission of sins, but, Christ does, and does so on an eternal basis:


Hebrews 10:10-14
King James Version (KJV)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.



We are sanctifed, set apart and made holy unto God...once ("for all" is an insertion).

That is by the will of GOd, not the will of man, just as we see made clear in John 1:13 and Titus 3:4-5 in regards to Regeneration.

Note the continual contrast of Christ and the New Covenant to the Law and it's provision (Priesthood, sacrifices, remission of sins, etc.):



11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.


Again, those sacrifices could not take away sins, but Christ's does...

...for ever.

That refers to the penalty of sin that is owed by every man, for all sin. Understand, Ron, that the penalty for sin has been removed on an eternal basis.

He hammers that point here:


14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.



The "One Offering" in view is the same Offering that is contrasted with the sacrifices of the Law, it is the Sacrifice of Christ, which was offered...once.

Those who are sanctified by that Offering are made perfect/complete...

...for ever.

You hold to a "washing of the slate heresy" that ignores what the Writer states here. You are denying that those sanctified by the Offering of Christ are made perfect/complete in regards to remission of sins for ever. Your gospel teaches, much like Catholic Doctrine, that men are cleansed...until they sin again, Then we hear the rant about repentance.

The problem you share with your Catholic brethren is that both of you fail to distinguish between 1) the difference between Progressive Sanctification and Positional Sanctification, 2) you fail to distinguish between the revelation provided to men prior to the establishment of the New Covenant and that provided men before, 3) the distinction between being justified through Old Testament Provision and being freely justified by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and 4) being Redeemed through Christ and receiving temporary atonement and remission of sins through Old Testament provision.

A good example is manna, which provided physical life in the wilderness, and the True Bread, which provides eternal life.


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PostSubject: Re: The Reasons Not To "Cherry Pick" scriptures To Build Your Doctrines   Thu May 24, 2018 7:59 am

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Those things never made a person “perfect”. It shows the contrast of gifts and animal sacrifices (Their hope in what Yeshua would do as the “Perfect Lamb of God”) as opposed to the “Perfect Sacrifice”


It shows the difference between the Covenant of Law and the New Covenant.

And again, I would remind you that no man under Law, or in Ages prior to the Covenant of Law...was trusting in Christ.

You have ignored this point throughout our discussions, so I would ask...

...why?

Here are three passages (and I have given you more)...


Romans 16:24-26
King James Version (KJV)

24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:




Ephesians 3
King James Version (KJV)


3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:




Colossians 1:25-27
King James Version (KJV)

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:



...which irrefutably make it known that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was not revealed to men again. Again I point out to you that we have to maintain our contexts within the framework of the revelation men have in their day, and that fact is...

...Abraham wa not trusting in Christ the Risen Lord, he was trusting in the Promsies of God, by which he was justified. THat would not nullify his need to have Christ die in his stead that he might be eternally redeemed.

You present this...

Ron wrote:

  Example of justification, faith plus works (Just like Abraham):

    Luk 19:8  And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken anything from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
    Luk 19:9  And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, For so much as he also is a son of Abraham.


...in a context in which Zacchaeus is justified eternally...before the Lord has even died.

So if Zacchaeus is eternally redeemed because of his works, then congratulations, you have created two ways for men to be saved on an eternal basis. Christ plus works. Which is what I have been telling you for some time you teach, though you deny it.

Now, the one question I would ask you in this is why you are ignoring the Mystery of the Gospel of Christ?



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PostSubject: Re: The Reasons Not To "Cherry Pick" scriptures To Build Your Doctrines   Thu May 24, 2018 8:18 am

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    14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
    15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
    16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
    17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
    18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Why is there no more offering for sin?

Because we are made complete in regards to remission of sins forever. That is why there is no more need for sacrifice.



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    Vs. 14 ... he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


    G37    “Sanctified” From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.


Correct, and this...for ever.

That means it has an eternal context, Ron. This is contrasted with the temporal and temporary quality of the provision given men prior to Christ's establishment of the New Covenant.


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    Who is “HE”? The Word of God! So how are we sanctified? The Word!

No, Ron, it is not the WORD of GOd in view, but Jesus Christ.

The difference being that the WORD is Eternal God, where as Jesus Christ is Eternal God manifest in human flesh for the express purpose of dying on the Cross.

John 1 speak of the WORD, whereas Hebrews 10 speaks of Jesus Christ:


Hebrews 10
King James Version (KJV)


5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.



Who is it in view? Not the WORD, but the Messiah, He of Whom it was written that He should come, and before He came...

...He had not come.

Seems to me this should be a simple point, but you wrest it by improperly contextualizing what is stated.

Now it is the Lord Jesus Christ stating "I come to do your will," now let's tie that to what will is in view:


10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.



It was God's will that Jesus Christ should die on the Cross. That was the original plan of Redemption, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, but revealed only in this Age to men.

If you study Hebrews you will find that the Writer contrasts the Covennat of Law and the New Covenant often, as also seen here:


8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.



"The First" is the Covenant of Law, the "second" is the New Covenant.

Here are a few passages where this is explained:



Hebrews 8:7

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
In Context | Full Chapter | [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews 8:7]Other Translations[/url]



Hebrews 8:13

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
In Context | Full Chapter | [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews 8:13]Other Translations[/url]



Hebrews 9:1
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
In Context | Full Chapter | [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews 9:1]Other Translations[/url]



Hebrews 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
In Context | Full Chapter | [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews 9:15]Other Translations[/url]



Hebrews 9:18

Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
In Context | Full Chapter | [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews 9:18]Other Translations[/url]



Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
In Context | Full Chapter | [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews 10:9]Other Translations[/url]



The point being that the Covenant of Law is contrasted with the New Covenant throughout Hebrews, over and over, and until you understand that you will continue to merge the Old with the New, failing to see the magnitude of the Cross.


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PostSubject: Re: The Reasons Not To "Cherry Pick" scriptures To Build Your Doctrines   Thu May 24, 2018 8:41 am

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So if you’re “sanctified” then there is “Perfection”! But where there is “Sin” then the Law goes into effect.
This goes hand in hand with:

This completely disregards the teaching of Hebrews 10. One is either made perfect...or they're not.

If they are, then they are complete forever, unlike your doctrine of temporary perfection, then one is under Law again if they sin.

I know you do not realize it yet, Ron, but what you are doing is making the Offering of Christ imperfect and incapable of doing that which Christ taught it would do:


John 3:14-16
King James Version (KJV)

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



So a few key doctrines I would suggest study of would be, first, Perfection as taught in the Book of Hebrews (and I say Hebrews because telos and it's variants are used in other books in a context of Progressive Sanctification), secondly the Mystery of Christ, third, and lastly for now, the issue of the Life Christ taught He came to give.

Men are born without life, though they have a spirit and a physical body which has physical life. Think about those who were unjust who have gone into eternity, they still exist but do not have the life Christ bestows through Reconciliation and Regeneration.

Christ makes that point here:


John 6:49-53
King James Version (KJV)


49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.



These Jews, because the Mystery of the Gospel was not revealed to them, could not, as we, understand that the Lord referred to His offering up of HImself, and that in view "eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood" meant to believe on Him, and specifically in His Sacrifice.

The point I would make here is that the "fathers" received provision from God, Manna, and the Lord states they "are dead." The Jews knew that Moses was dead physically, so we understand this to refer to a contrast between the Life He came to bestow and the absence of that life in the times of the fathers.

Eternal life can only be received through faith in Christ. While the Old Testament Saints were made perfect at the time of the Cross (see Hebrews 11:13, 39-40; 12:22-24), they did not in their lifetimes receive eternal salvation, that is what Christ came to give men that would place their faith in His death, burial, and Resurrection.


John 6:47-48
King James Version (KJV)

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.



So when we trust in Christ we are sanctified...once. We are made perfect/complete in regards to remission of sins...forever. And we have...

...everlasting life.

Not we will receive these things at some point, but that we have them when we receive the Atonement, Reconciliation, and the eternal indwelling of God, in Whom we have been placed, and Who now resides in us as the guarantee of our salvation.

And that is all the time I have for today, but would ask that perhaps you might give attention to the points being raised to you. I would like to narrow our discussions to pointed topics such as Perfection, The Mystery of the Gospel, and Eternal Security.

I would just point out that in Hebrews 10:28-29 we do not see Christians coming under Judgment, but, just as in Hebrews 5:14-6:12 we see those who have rejected the New Covenant. V.29 contrasts the rejecters of the Covenant of Law in v.28 with those who reject Christ, His Sacrifice, His Covenant, and the efforts of the Comforter, the Spirit of Grace, Who seeks to convict them of sin, righteousness, and judgment.

You denied this, but, it is the Comforter that ministers in this Age, so references specific to the Holy Ghost refer to the Promised Spirit, and if you keep Hebrews 10 in context you will not, as you do now, completely contradict everything the Writer has tried to teach you in the first part of the Chapter.


God bless.

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