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PostSubject: Can you believe heretical things and still go to heaven?   Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:07 pm

Personally, I believe you can, as salvation is not by correct belief, but by
grace through faith. Correct belief is important, because we live our
lives based on what we believe. Faulty or immature beliefs lead to
faulty and immature Christian living. But correct belief is not
directly a matter of salvation. And for that, we are all thankful!

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PostSubject: Re: Can you believe heretical things and still go to heaven?   Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:41 pm

" Faulty or immature beliefs lead to
faulty and immature Christian living. But correct belief is not
directly a matter of salvation. And for that, we are all thankful!"

immature is exactly what i was, how far i've come along i cannot judge for myself suffice to say a year and a half ago, i didn't have a belief system nor did i know clearly what one was. what is clearly heretical and what is not depends on what you believe. what i can tell you for sure is...i was awakened abruptly, i don't even think there was anything voluntary about it, at least not to my knowledge. it must have been for a purpose and by Grace alone because i couldn't complete a grocery list prior to this event much less even have the least confidence to offer any kind of opinion on this matter prior.
i will submit that i did almost immediately seek guidance according to the beliefs handed down (inherited) by Baptism and what my parents believed. i received a very clear message to get out!
didn't say where to go...but made it very clear to leave. i continued to read my Bible. then i was lead here and had not written for many years now i can't stop. if i posted every single thing i have written...it would flood the site. i did have a brain clot (classic efasia) ...where i lost the ability to speak or write coherently, the doctor's were able to help with a series of shots (blood thinners) and i made a full recovery they were amazed at how quickly i'd recovered! i think i was being shown that my talents were not being used at all but wasted and were meant for the Lord's service. i never personally considered it that way, there are so many much more capable writers. it was less than two years ago that i was gifted my first Bible by a Pastor friend i'd met working in Charleston port. took a while before i began reading in earnest. the more i read, the more inspired i was to write again, never thought i would want to, or still could. never really amounted to much in terms of success in a worldly sense in the past. now i don't really worry too much about it...try to be conscientious and Pray about it. I only worry about what God thinks about what i write and trust in Him.
don't know if this was any kind of helpful?

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PostSubject: Re: Can you believe heretical things and still go to heaven?   Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:53 am

We're all in a growing process. That's one of the things that is so cool about God. You will never get bored learning more about Him. It sounds like the Lord is leading you down some pretty exciting paths, and from what I've read, He's putting your talents to good use so far. I can't wait to see what more He has in store for you!

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PostSubject: Re: Can you believe heretical things and still go to heaven?   Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:48 am

Grace thru faith is the point and the basic requirement for salvation. I believe that correct belief is what sets the tone for a Christ like life and helps bring others to the Lord and also a source of greater glory for the Father. It is important for Christian living but I agree that it is not necessarily vital to salvation. Acceptance and repentance being the key. If false beliefs cause others to sin or move away from the Father then that is where it gets sticky. Best to KNOW what you believe but again I agree it's not necessarily vital. But I'm still learning and growing in Christ as we all are.

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PostSubject: Re: Can you believe heretical things and still go to heaven?   Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:48 am

I LOVE YA'LL! Great comments, and it's refreshing to see the understanding show up. We will always, or at least strive, to always grow in the Word, Lord, Grace, put the word that fits for you ------- here. Oneagleswings, the Word says that gifts are given without repentence. You have this gift of writing for a reason. But it is up to you to discover and develop it. Everything that you went through can be, and should be the catalist to propel you to where God wants you to be. And that, friend, is the personal journey we all must go on.blessings
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PostSubject: Re: Can you believe heretical things and still go to heaven?   Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:41 am

a long time ago i prayed a prayer of repentance and salvation, so many times i'd lost count. said to myself i am different now, i just accepted Christ as my Savior. The pastor on the radio said it was so. Whether it was Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, Rev. Magee, Joyce Meyers, T.D. Jakes, Paula White, Jentezen Franklin...etc. It meant NOTHING without Faith, Belief, Trust,Acceptance and Repentance. It was no magical cure, as i naively believed it to be at the time. At the end of the day i was exactly the same and at times even worse and feeling even more ashamed and guilty. Not simply a coat i could put on that would shelter me and change who i was and how i appeared but whether i understood it or not i accepted The Lord, yes a Savior...185 times in the Bible, Jesus is referred to as Lord. He is my Lord and it is written that one day every knee will bow and every mouth will confess Him as Lord. that salvation i sought had begun working in me in ways so subtle so patient it's just...well as much as i write lengthy posts' i simply do not have adequate words to express the process. i know some of us have experienced the same in different ways...custom tailored to each of our's uniqueness and personal struggles.
i struggle every day...i might go a few days this way, if it were easy...would it be worth anything?
we all struggle...it's nice to know we're not alone.

Lora wrote:"But correct belief is not
directly a matter of salvation. And for that, we are all thankful!"


If it were Lora, i wouldn't have ever stood a single HOLY GHOST of a chance...AMEN?!!

i never told anyone this...but i was on a fast track to make my confirmation in the Catholic tradition on Easter Sunday last year. When i was attending classes i was told it would take at least a couple of years or more to prepare in instruction. My teacher a former Nun of twenty years, often referred to me as the "jewel in her crown" when she gets to Heaven (i grew to love her very much, she is very special to me). Often told me i was extremely blessed. My full story is not clear to me in a spiritual sense but it seemed to be to her. She embraced me acceptingly, nurturingly, non-judgmentally, lovingly, for that i shall be eternally grateful. But i still don't get it...(the fascination, for lack of a better word) it made me very uneasy, i felt like a special ed. child, that was aware of some kind of arrested development.
My Faith had always been like that of a child though my flesh was full-grown, i was not developing proportionately in maturity.
i had been trapped...in ways i could not see.
What developed within me was a very clever child, geared for survival by circumstance masquerading as an adult in the splitting of a personality by traumatic cause and effect.
Than persona...could not be capable of this self-evaluation.
Mind you...i do not reveal this lightly.

Now i am as a fugitive...a rebel, though i never asked to be.
Seemingly ungrateful for all the kindness she showed me.
i give the credit to the true source of Grace.

That whole environment made me uneasy, i thought it was just anxiety. but i've been to many other churches with no similar effects...maybe it's just me?
don't like to feel pressured or cornered, brings out the fighter in me.
For now...i do not attend a church, at least not in the sense of communal worship in fellowship within a structure and a structured setting. For now...

suffice to say...and i'm almost afraid to...but when i visit the 'Trappist Monastery' i feel very relaxed and very much...serenely at home?

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